"As to the negotiations, by the way, with Kiev. I do not know, as for me, in any way, I would personally think that as I understand no one should be pushed and nothing of the kind should be made, generally speaking. War, particularly for those who have been there at least once, is very hard, so to say, terrible and dirty work, if we call all things as they are. But, given all this, I think that just to leave everything in the present-day situation, for instance, we will liberate the DPR and LPR, by the way, I consider that the second for psychological significance, for success will be liquidation of bridgehead in Avdeyevka, from where Donetsk is shelled, and finally to move the frontline from Donetsk, where it is, where they have retrenched the best, this will be the second serious psychological success compared to Mariupol. I hope this can be achieved. It seems we will succeed in this, yes. But cutting away from the Black Sea would be the minimum because then the significance of this territory would reduce. And then they could become more inclined to negotiate, though I believe in negotiations, I will repeat, to an extent they might lead to achievement of set tasks and goals. If we just fix, so to say, status quo, conditionally speaking, the demarcation line, they will start pumping up their arsenals with arms, hired guns and everything else in order to then start again or re-launch the war."